Legislature(2007 - 2008)CAPITOL 120

05/05/2007 08:00 AM House JUDICIARY


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08:19:27 AM Start
08:19:52 AM HB65
09:55:21 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
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+= HB 65 PERSONAL INFORMATION & CONSUMER CREDIT TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 65(JUD) Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
HB 65-PERSONAL INFORMATION & CONSUMER CREDIT                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:19:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS announced  that the only order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL NO.  65, "An  Act  relating to  breaches of  security                                                               
involving personal  information, credit  report and  credit score                                                               
security  freezes, consumer  credit monitoring,  credit accuracy,                                                               
protection of social security numbers,  care of records, disposal                                                               
of  records, identity  theft, furnishing  consumer credit  header                                                               
information,  credit   cards,  and   debit  cards,  and   to  the                                                               
jurisdiction of  the office of administrative  hearings; amending                                                               
Rule 60,  Alaska Rules of  Civil Procedure; and providing  for an                                                               
effective  date."   [Before the  committee was  CSHB 65(L&C),  as                                                               
amended on  5/2/07; left pending  from the meeting on  5/2/07 was                                                               
the  motion  to  adopt  Amendment  1  and  the  motion  to  adopt                                                               
Amendment  10;  included  in  members'  packets  was  a  proposed                                                               
committee  substitute  (CS)  for   HB  65,  Version  25-LS0311\M,                                                               
Bannister, 5/3/07.]                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:21:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAHLSTROM moved [to  adopt] the proposed committee                                                               
substitute  (CS)  for  HB  65,  Version  25-LS0311\M,  Bannister,                                                               
5/03/07, [as the work draft].                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES objected.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS,  in response to  a question, stated that  Version M                                                               
only contains the amendments previously made to the bill.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES removed her objection.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:26:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS stated that Version M was before the committee.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS  made a  motion to adopt  new Amendment  10, labeled                                                               
25-LS0311\E.15,  Bannister,  5/2/07, and  containing  handwritten                                                               
changes  to reflect  a  change  to Version  M;  new Amendment  10                                                               
reads:                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 20, lines 9 - 10:                                                                                                     
          Delete "or $5,000, whichever amount is greater,"                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  RAMRAS  explained  that   new  Amendment  10  would  allow                                                               
individuals to recover actual damages.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL,  as  one   of  the  bill's  joint  prime                                                               
sponsors, spoke in  favor of Amendment 10, but  cautioned that it                                                               
would  allow  the  recovery  of  both  economic  and  noneconomic                                                               
damages.   In  the  event  of a  class  action  suit, he  opined,                                                               
damages could become untenable.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS offered his support for Amendment 10.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HOLMES removed  her  objection.   There being  no                                                               
further objection, new Amendment 10 was adopted.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:29:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS [made  a motion to adopt] Amendment  11, labeled 25-                                                               
LS-0311\M.2, Bannister, 5/4/07, which read:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Page 26, lines 29 - 30:                                                                                                    
          Delete "assembling or evaluating consumer credit                                                                      
     information or other information on consumers"                                                                             
          Insert "maintaining consumer credit information"                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL objected.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:31:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FRANK      BAILEY,       Special      Assistant;      Legislative                                                               
Liaison/Communications,  Office of  the Commissioner,  Department                                                               
of  Administration  (DOA),  relayed  that the  new  Amendment  10                                                               
addresses DOA's concerns.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:31:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN   BURTON,   Vice   President,  State   Government   Affairs,                                                               
ChoicePoint    Asset   Company    ("ChoicePoint"),   asked    for                                                               
clarification on Amendment 11, then  explained that he had worked                                                               
with the sponsor's  staff in order to clarify  the definitions of                                                               
"consumer  credit  reporting agency"  and  "credit  report".   He                                                               
offered that ChoicePoint supports the  use of these terms because                                                               
they mirror the definitions in  the federal Fair Credit Reporting                                                               
Act  (FCRA).   He explained  that the  term "consumer  report" as                                                               
defined in  the FCRA,  is an  umbrella term  used by  the Federal                                                               
Trade Commission  (FTC) to govern everything  it regulates, while                                                               
the  term "credit  report" is  a  consumer report  as defined  in                                                               
federal law.  However, the FTC  regulates other areas that do not                                                               
involve credit  or credit data.   He opined that HB  65 correctly                                                               
focuses on a credit score security  freeze but does not extend to                                                               
other  consumer  data  such  as  lost  data  or  data  for  fraud                                                               
prevention,  data which  are not  used for  credit purposes.   He                                                               
stated that  the two definitions  together help conform  the bill                                                               
to  a credit  report,  which is  the subject  of  a credit  score                                                               
security freeze.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:36:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LES  GARA, Alaska  State Legislature,  speaking as                                                               
one  of  the  joint  prime   sponsors  of  HB  65,  offered  that                                                               
[Amendment 10  and Amendment 11]  work together.  He  stated that                                                               
Version  M  reflects the  Illinois  language,  and perhaps  other                                                               
states'  consumer protection  laws, which  mirror definitions  in                                                               
federal  law  for a  "consumer  credit  reporting agency"  and  a                                                               
"credit report".   He  opined that the  cumulative effect  of the                                                               
two  amendments  is  to allow  companies,  like  ChoicePoint,  to                                                               
distribute some  of an individual's information  even when he/she                                                               
places  a credit  freeze on  his/her personal  information.   For                                                               
example,  he indicated  that some  information might  be relevant                                                               
only to  credit scoring,  or to insurance  products.   But absent                                                               
the adoption of  [Amendment 11], Choice Point  would be prevented                                                               
from using  that information  while the  individual has  placed a                                                               
freeze  on his/her  information.   He offered  that he  could not                                                               
determine  any  adverse impact  to  consumers,  although he  also                                                               
noted that  he has not heard  any criticism of Illinois  law.  He                                                               
opined that a  person who has been a victim  of identity theft or                                                               
credit  theft  has  a  right  to  a  broader  freeze  on  his/her                                                               
information, and so he supports the Illinois language.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL referred members  to page 26 and indicated                                                               
that the  operative part of  this section  is for the  purpose of                                                               
furnishing credit  reports to third  parties.  He  suggested that                                                               
if other  information is relevant  to furnishing a  credit report                                                               
it should  be included  in the  bill.  He  stated that  he speaks                                                               
against Amendment 11.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURTON suggested  that it is important to  note that Illinois                                                               
subsequently amended  their credit  freeze law to  limit it  to a                                                               
credit report and extensions of credit.   He offered that in lieu                                                               
of  not narrowing  the  definition  of a  "credit  report" and  a                                                               
"credit  reporting agency",  ChoicePoint urges  the committee  to                                                               
adopt the Illinois law definition for "security freeze".                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS withdrew Amendment 11.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  clarified that  the version of  the Illinois                                                               
law  attached to  Amendment 11  is dated  2007.   He acknowledged                                                               
that  Illinois law  may have  since been  updated, as  Mr. Burton                                                               
indicated, and that he will research the matter.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:40:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS  made a  motion to adopt  Amendment 12,  labeled 25-                                                               
LS0311\M.3, Bannister, 5/4/07, which read:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 27, lines 1 - 11:                                                                                                     
          Delete all material and insert:                                                                                       
               "(3) "credit report" means a written, oral,                                                                      
     or  other  communication  of credit  information  by  a                                                                    
     consumer   credit  reporting   agency   bearing  on   a                                                                    
     consumer's  credit  worthiness,   credit  standing,  or                                                                    
     credit capacity;"                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL objected.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS  explained that Amendment  12 will  delete paragraph                                                               
(3) of  proposed AS 45.48.990,  and will insert a  new definition                                                               
for "credit report".                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURTON  explained that  since the  initial passage  of credit                                                               
freeze legislation in California  in 2001, the legislative intent                                                               
and  public policy  behind these  types of  bills is  to allow  a                                                               
consumer to  freeze his/her credit  report as  protection against                                                               
identity theft.   If it  is the intent  of anyone that  this bill                                                               
should be  a manner  for consumers  to opt  out or  freeze things                                                               
beyond a credit report, then he  stated he believes the bill goes                                                               
beyond the original intent.  He  suggested that if the sponsor or                                                               
committee  wishes  to  adopt  the  Illinois  language,  then  the                                                               
Illinois  law should  be adopted  in its  entirety, and  that the                                                               
focus of  the bill should be  clear.  He opined  that the overall                                                               
goal of  the bill  is to  protect consumers  by allowing  them to                                                               
freeze their credit reports as  protection against identity theft                                                               
and unauthorized extensions of credit.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS withdrew Amendment 12.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:43:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[Left pending from the meeting on  5/2/07 was the motion to adopt                                                               
Amendment 1, labeled 25-LS0311\E.12, Bannister, 5/1/07.]                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS  made a motion to  adopt a new Amendment  1, labeled                                                               
25-LS0311\M.4, Bannister, 5/4/07, which read:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 1, following "to":                                                                                          
          Insert "the disclosure of permanent fund dividend                                                                   
     applicant records,"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, following line 2:                                                                                                  
     Insert new bill sections to read:                                                                                          
        "* Sec. 2. AS 43.23.017 is amended to read:                                                                         
          Sec.     43.23.017.      Applicant     information                                                                  
     confidential.  Information   on  each   permanent  fund                                                                  
     dividend application,  except the applicant's  name, is                                                                    
     confidential.   The   department   may   only   release                                                                    
     information that is confidential under this section                                                                        
               (1)  to a local, state, or federal                                                                               
     government agency;                                                                                                         
               (2)  in compliance with a court order;                                                                           
               (3)  to the individual who or agency that                                                                        
     files an application on behalf of another;                                                                                 
               (4)  to a banking institution to verify the                                                                      
     direct deposit of a permanent  fund dividend or correct                                                                    
     an error in that deposit;                                                                                                  
               (5)  as directed to do so by the applicant;                                                                      
     [AND]                                                                                                                      
               (6)  to a contractor who has a contract with                                                                     
     a person  entitled to obtain the  information under (1)                                                                    
     - (5) of this section  to receive, store, or manage the                                                                    
     information  on  that  person's  behalf;  a  contractor                                                                    
     receiving data  under this paragraph  may only  use the                                                                    
     data as directed by and  for the purposes of the person                                                                    
     entitled to obtain the information; and                                                                                
               (7)  as provided under (b) of this section.                                                                  
        *  Sec. 3.  AS 43.23.017  is amended  by adding  new                                                                  
     subsections to read:                                                                                                       
          (b)  The department shall disclose applicant                                                                          
     information  to a  business under  a contract  with the                                                                    
     department that  requests the applicant  information if                                                                    
     the  business has  a  license  under AS 43.70.020,  the                                                                    
     business, or an agent, an  employee, or a contractor of                                                                    
     the business, indicates that the  business will use the                                                                    
     applicant  information only  in  the  normal course  of                                                                    
     business, the person making  the request provides proof                                                                    
     of  the person's  identity, and  the person  making the                                                                    
     request  states   that  the   business  will   use  the                                                                    
     applicant information only                                                                                                 
               (1)  to obtain information for law                                                                               
     enforcement agencies  or for  an investigation,  if the                                                                    
     business  is  the  practice  of  law  or  includes  the                                                                    
     service of process;                                                                                                        
               (2)  in connection  with a civil, a criminal,                                                                    
     an  administrative,   or  an   arbitration  proceeding,                                                                    
     including  the  service  of process,  investigation  in                                                                    
     anticipation  of litigation,  executing on  a judgment,                                                                    
     enforcing a judgment, or complying with a court order;                                                                     
               (3)    for  a legal  or  beneficial  interest                                                                    
     relating to  the applicant, if  the business  holds the                                                                    
     legal or beneficial interest;                                                                                              
               (4)    on behalf  of  the  applicant, if  the                                                                    
     business is  acting in a  fiduciary capacity  on behalf                                                                    
     of the applicant;                                                                                                          
               (5)   in  connection  with insurance  claims,                                                                    
     insurance   investigations,  or   insurance  anti-fraud                                                                    
     activities, if the  business is an insurer  or a person                                                                    
     who provides support services to an insurer;                                                                               
               (6)    to  comply  with  federal,  state,  or                                                                    
     municipal  laws,  regulations,   ordinances,  or  other                                                                    
     legal requirements; or                                                                                                     
               (7)    for  bulk  distribution  to  political                                                                    
     candidates, nonprofit organizations,  or persons taking                                                                    
     polls.                                                                                                                     
          (c)  In this section,                                                                                                 
               (1)   "applicant"  means an  applicant for  a                                                                    
     permanent fund dividend;                                                                                                   
               (2)    "applicant  information"  means  name,                                                                    
     mailing address, and birth year of an applicant;                                                                           
               (3)   "business" means  a person  engaging in                                                                    
     business."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 27, line 23:                                                                                                          
          Delete "sec. 3"                                                                                                       
          Insert "sec. 5"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Page 27, line 27:                                                                                                          
          Delete "sec. 3"                                                                                                       
          Insert "sec. 5"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Page 27, line 30:                                                                                                          
          Delete "sec. 3"                                                                                                       
          Insert "sec. 5"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Page 28, line 1:                                                                                                           
          Delete "sec. 4"                                                                                                       
          Insert "sec. 6"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:45:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JANE  W.  PIERSON, Staff  to  Representative  Jay Ramras,  Alaska                                                               
State Legislature,  explained the changes from  the old Amendment                                                               
1,  Version E.12,  to  the new  Amendment 1,  Version  M.4.   She                                                               
referred to new Amendment 1,  and explained that the major change                                                               
reflects  that the  Department of  Revenue  (DOR) shall  disclose                                                               
Permanent  Fund   Dividend  (PFD)  applicant  information   to  a                                                               
business under contract with the  department.  This change allows                                                               
the department set  up a contract similar to how  the Division of                                                               
Motor  Vehicles  (DMV)  handles confidential  information.    She                                                               
explained  that new  Amendment 1  no longer  stipulates that  the                                                               
information  can  only  be  used as  necessary  to  implement  or                                                               
enforce  a transaction  authorized by  the applicant  because the                                                               
business would  already have been  given that information  by the                                                               
applicant;  that  subsection  (b)(1)  now says  in  part  "obtain                                                               
information for law enforcement  agencies" and no longer contains                                                               
the  term "self-regulatory  organization"  because  the term  was                                                               
deemed unnecessary and poorly defined;  and that [subsection (b)]                                                               
no  longer  contains  the  words   "to  verify  the  accuracy  of                                                               
information provided  by the applicant,  to prevent fraud  by the                                                               
applicant,  or to  pursue legal  remedies against  the applicant"                                                               
because it refers to information provided by the applicant.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. PIERSON  stated that  the term,  "nonprofit" was  supposed to                                                               
have been  removed from  new Amendment  1's subsection  (b)(7) to                                                               
reflect that the  information being released is  available to all                                                               
organizations  not just  non-profit organizations.   She  gave an                                                               
example  that  one  hospital might  be  non-profit,  and  another                                                               
hospital might  not be,  so the  effect of  removing "non-profit"                                                               
from the new  Amendment 1 would be to open  access to information                                                               
for all organizations.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. PIERSON,  in response  to a question,  advised that  the term                                                               
"organization" is  not defined in  statute, and in response  to a                                                               
concern  that  an organization  seeking  information  might be  a                                                               
terrorist  organization, responded  that an  organization seeking                                                               
information could  also be a  local little league.   Furthermore,                                                               
there will be contractual obligations  between the department and                                                               
the   person  gathering   the  information,   and  that's   where                                                               
restraints will be.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  noted  that  that  language  might  be                                                               
broader than needed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL asked with respect  to the first change in                                                               
new Amendment 1,  if this is to mirror the  type of contract that                                                               
DMV lets.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. PIERSON, in  response, confirmed that the  change would allow                                                               
businesses  to  obtain and  use  applicant  information for  bulk                                                               
distribution to political candidates  or persons taking polls and                                                               
is intended replicate the type of contract DMV enters into.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  asked what  criteria would  be used  in a                                                               
potential contract.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PIERSON  offered  that  the criteria  could  be  defined  by                                                               
regulation by  the Permanent  Fund Dividend  Division, Department                                                               
of Revenue.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:50:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS asked why  information would be limited to                                                               
businesses and  not to individuals.   He said he  recognizes that                                                               
some businesses sell formatted information.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS made  a motion to amend new  Amendment 1 to                                                               
delete  "non-profit   organizations"  from   proposed  subsection                                                               
(b)(7).                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said he  doesn't have a problem deleting                                                               
"non-profit",  but   urged  that   it  is  essential   to  define                                                               
"organizations" in statute  and not leave the term  to be defined                                                               
by regulation.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. PIERSON, in  response to a question, offered  her belief that                                                               
it  would make  more  sense to  delete "nonprofit  organizations"                                                               
from new Amendment 1, rather than just deleting "non-profit".                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS asked if there  were any objections to the amendment                                                               
to new  Amendment 1.  There  being none, the new  Amendment 1 was                                                               
amended.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG asked if  members would consider another                                                               
amendment  to new  Amendment 1,  as amended,  to delete  the word                                                               
"business" from  proposed subsection  (b) because  the definition                                                               
of the word "person" includes business.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN surmised  that the  same argument  regarding                                                               
paragraph  (7)  could  also  apply   to  subsection  (b)'s  other                                                               
paragraphs.    He  cautioned  that the  language  should  not  be                                                               
centered on any particular business.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  noted that subsection (b)  uses the term,                                                               
"business"  several times  but  cautioned that  in  at least  one                                                               
instance it should remain.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRENTATIVE GRUENBERG agreed.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GARA   offered   his  understanding   that   the                                                               
suggestion is logical  in terms of consistency,  but reminded the                                                               
committee  that Senator  Guess's original  amendment, he  opined,                                                               
was meant  to ensure  that a  party has  a legitimate  reason for                                                               
obtaining  an  applicant's  address.   By  leaving  in  the  word                                                               
"business",  as  new  Amendment   1,  as  amended,  is  currently                                                               
written,   it  makes   a  policy   call   that  some   businesses                                                               
legitimately need  to obtain addresses  in order to operate.   By                                                               
expanding the scope of new Amendment  1, as amended, to make this                                                               
information  available  to  individuals, it  might  inadvertently                                                               
make information available  to a class of people who  do not have                                                               
a  right  to confidential  information.    If the  scope  remains                                                               
narrowed  only to  businesses, he  opined, it  seems more  likely                                                               
that someone  with a vendetta  probably would not have  access to                                                               
confidential information.   He cautioned  that once the  scope of                                                               
the  bill is  broadened to  a person,  any of  the 600,000  or so                                                               
Alaskans  who  file  for  a  PFD  might  find  a  way  to  access                                                               
confidential information.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS,  in response to  a question, said  he now                                                               
understands  why  subsection  (b)   narrows  the  scope  to  just                                                               
businesses, and he will decide whether he agrees.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:57 a.m. to 9:01 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:01:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN made a motion  to adopt a second amendment to                                                               
new  Amendment   1,  as  amended;  this   second  amendment  read                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 24                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Add:   "Applicant information for bulk  distribution to                                                                    
     political  candidates  in  an election  shall  also  be                                                                    
     disclosed  directly  to a  candidate  who  has filed  a                                                                    
     declaration of candidacy or letter  of intent to run in                                                                    
     that election."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL  objected.    He suggested  that  if  new                                                               
Amendment 1, as amended, passes as  is, he would continue to work                                                               
to address the underlying issues raised.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gruenberg  noted  that the  committee  could  not                                                               
amend an amendment  to an amendment.  The  committee could either                                                               
adopt this second  amendment and then take up  a third amendment,                                                               
or  the second  amendment could  be  withdrawn so  that he  could                                                               
draft better language.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN   withdrew  the  second  amendment   to  new                                                               
Amendment 1, as amended.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA recapped that  the withdrawn second amendment                                                               
to  new Amendment  1,  as amended,  stated that  not  only can  a                                                               
company  obtain  the information  to  help  candidates but  if  a                                                               
candidate  chose  not to  hire  a  company, the  candidate  could                                                               
obtain the  information directly.   He  stated his  neutrality in                                                               
the  matter of  whether to  adopt  this change,  but offered  his                                                               
interpretation that  if the  purpose of  the second  amendment to                                                               
Amendment 1 is to allow  candidates to obtain information without                                                               
hiring  a company  to obtain  it,  then the  amendment must  also                                                               
specify party or  candidate; that not only can  a business obtain                                                               
the information but an individual can also.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:04:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG made a motion  to adopt a new conceptual                                                               
amendment to new Amendment 1, as amended.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  RAMRAS [after  some discussion  regarding  what the  exact                                                               
wording would  be] relayed that  the second  conceptual amendment                                                               
to  new Amendment  1, as  amended, would,  in addition  to making                                                               
conforming  changes  to  the  entirety of  new  Amendment  1,  as                                                               
amended, add to the end of proposed subsection (b)(7) the words:                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Applicant   information   for  bulk   distribution   to                                                                    
     political  candidates  in  an election  shall  also  be                                                                    
     disclosed  directly  to a  candidate  who  has filed  a                                                                    
     declaration of candidacy or letter  of intent to run in                                                                    
     that election or to a recognized political party"                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS added that Amendment 1 should be made to                                                                           
conform to new Amendment 1.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL objected,  suggesting that  the amendment                                                               
be prepared by the legislative drafters.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES asked why  the language was changed several                                                               
years ago with respect to the domestic violence aspect.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SAMUELS  stated that  he  agrees  and more  fully                                                               
understands  why the  information should  only be  released to  a                                                               
business and  not to  an individual.   He  stated he  opposes the                                                               
amendment to  new Amendment 1,  but supports the language  in the                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAHLSTROM indicated  that she  is concerned  with                                                               
both the  new Amendment 1,  as amended, and the  second amendment                                                               
to the Amendment  1 because the information  being considered for                                                               
release  is within  the only  database  in the  state that  lists                                                               
specific information about children.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   LYNN  opined   that  most   candidates  are   as                                                               
responsible  as  business  owners,  and  that  merely  holding  a                                                               
business license does not make  a person more responsible or less                                                               
likely to commit a crime.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HOLMES  asked  for   testimony  with  respect  to                                                               
domestic  violence  and whether  it  makes  a difference  if  the                                                               
information is released to a business or a candidate.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:10:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS  ASHENBRENNER, Interim  Program  Administrator, Council  on                                                               
Domestic Violence & Sexual Assault  (CDVSA), Department of Public                                                               
Safety (DPS),  offered her view  that any narrowing of  access to                                                               
the PFD  applicant database will  help to protect children.   She                                                               
stated that it  seems that the second amendment  to new Amendment                                                               
1, as amended, would broaden  access to confidential information,                                                               
but that she is uncertain of its effect on potential victims.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:11:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call  vote was taken.  Representatives  Gruenberg and Lynn                                                               
voted in  favor of the  second amendment  to new Amendment  1, as                                                               
amended.   Representatives  Dahlstrom, Coghill,  Samuels, Holmes,                                                               
and Ramras voted against it.   Therefore, the second amendment to                                                               
new Amendment 1, as amended, failed by a vote of 2-5.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS indicated that new  Amendment 1, as amended, was now                                                               
before the committee.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. ASHENBRENNER  expressed concern  about the  specific personal                                                               
information  that might  be made  available to  those individuals                                                               
who  prey on  others, for  example, domestic  violence offenders,                                                               
stalkers, or sex offenders.  The  CDVSA sees the growth of cyber-                                                               
stalking and  this amendment would certainly  enhance the ability                                                               
of  predators to  stalk.   Initially, she  said, she  was excited                                                               
about  the protection  this bill  might offer  individuals, since                                                               
some  people  have been  tracked  down  by their  credit  report.                                                               
However,   new   Amendment   1,  as   amended,   makes   specific                                                               
confidential  information available  to potential  predators, and                                                               
so  she  has   grown  concerned  about  the   broader  aspect  of                                                               
confidential information  that would be released.   She suggested                                                               
that the  committee consider narrowing  the scope of the  bill in                                                               
order  to  protect  potential  victims.   She  opined  that  this                                                               
protection  is  especially  important given  the  extremely  high                                                               
rates of victims  of domestic violence and sexual  assault in all                                                               
parts of Alaska.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:14:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LORI   DAVEY,   Owner,   Motznik   Information   Services,   Inc.                                                               
("Motznik"), began  by offering  her view that  the value  of the                                                               
bill  is more  to  protect victims  than to  find  victims.   She                                                               
explained  that  by reauthorizing  access  to  the PFD  applicant                                                               
database  for  legitimate  business purposes  allows  Motznik  to                                                               
definitively  locate  people to  serve  process,  to track  their                                                               
criminal  record,   and  to  effectively   differentiate  between                                                               
criminals  and  those who  are  not.   Businesses  can  currently                                                               
access  public information  which contains  names and  addresses.                                                               
The Division  of Elections  has the ability  to update  the voter                                                               
registration files  and to  cross reference  with the  PFD files,                                                               
and  this would  provide access  to the  information of  about 90                                                               
percent of Alaskans.  The  remaining 10 percent missing from such                                                               
a  cross-referenced  list  would  be   the  people  who  are  not                                                               
registered   voters.     It  is   currently  very   difficult  to                                                               
differentiate between people with common first or last names.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DAVEY  offered  that  new Amendment  1,  as  amended,  would                                                               
reauthorize  access to  addresses  and birth  years  in order  to                                                               
differentiate  between the  non-criminal  files.   This  personal                                                               
information  is routinely  used for  employment, title  searches,                                                               
home  loans, housing,  and similar  uses.   It  is important  for                                                               
businesses to  be able  to effectively validate  a person  and to                                                               
clearly identify  whether the person is  a criminal or not.   She                                                               
offered that  currently a private investigator,  a title company,                                                               
or an attorney  must obtain a court order to  access specific PFD                                                               
applicant  information.     Additionally,   removing  "non-profit                                                               
organizations"  entirely  eliminates  the ability  for  a  little                                                               
league,  a  private   school,  or  summer  camp   to  access  the                                                               
information for bulk distribution.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAHLSTROM  asked if  Motznik is the  only business                                                               
in the state that provides these data services.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVEY responded no and  offered that another company provides                                                               
the same services.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAHLSTROM  advised that she,  as a parent  of four                                                               
children,  has not  experienced  mass mailings  from any  private                                                               
school or little league program.   She cautioned that there isn't                                                               
a  need for  these types  of programs  to advertise  in this  way                                                               
since the programs often have lines or waiting lists.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   RAMRAS  questioned   whether   making  this   information                                                               
available would put people at risk.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVEY  responded no because  access to the  information helps                                                               
make  people  more  accountable,  adding  that  currently  it  is                                                               
difficult to track  someone down if they do not  vote, do not own                                                               
a car, or  do not own property.   She related that  if someone is                                                               
stalking a person,  in order to gain protection,  the victim must                                                               
serve the stalker with a restraining  order and in order to do so                                                               
he/she must be able to locate  the stalker.  The proposed change,                                                               
she opined  would help  the victim by  allowing him/her  to serve                                                               
the restraining order.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:21:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICK SVOBODNY, Deputy Attorney  General, Central Office, Criminal                                                               
Division, Department  of Law  (DOL), in  response to  a question,                                                               
offered that  the DOL  uses the  services of  both aforementioned                                                               
businesses  in order  to locate  witnesses  or defendants,  along                                                               
with other  tools such as the  PFD applicant database.   While he                                                               
offered that  these are  all useful  tools, he  also acknowledged                                                               
that some people  use the information provided  in these listings                                                               
to search for victims.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:22:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL maintained his objection.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote  was taken  on new  Amendment  1, as  amended.                                                               
Representatives Coghill, Samuels, Lynn,  Ramras voted in favor of                                                               
the new  Amendment 1,as  amended, and  Representatives Dahlstrom,                                                               
Holmes,  and   Gruenberg  voted  against  it.     Therefore,  new                                                               
Amendment 1, as amended, was adopted by a vote of 4-3.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS  suggested that Ms.  Ashenbrenner continue  her work                                                               
continue  to reduce  the  negative  aspects of  the  bill and  to                                                               
address concerns  expressed today as  the bill moves  through the                                                               
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:24:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SVOBODNY  referred  to  Article  5,  starting  on  page  23,                                                               
specifically the  language regarding  a court's  determination of                                                               
factual  innocence.   He  offered  that  the  bill would  make  a                                                               
fundamental  change   with  respect  to  how   the  court  system                                                               
operates.    He  explained  that  Alaska's  court  system  is  an                                                               
adversarial system, with  two opposing parties, with  a judge and                                                               
jury  who  ultimately  make  a   determination  between  the  two                                                               
parties.   This bill  would change the  court system  to resemble                                                               
the Napoleonic system, the French  system where the judge acts as                                                               
an  inquisitor, and  a person  who petitions  the court  does not                                                               
have an  opposing side.   He  opined that  to make  a fundamental                                                               
change such as this one deserves further consideration.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SVOBODNY  related two  examples  from  his experience  as  a                                                               
prosecutor.   In one instance  someone used a  different person's                                                               
name during a driving while  under the influence (DUI) case plead                                                               
guilty  and subsequently  served the  sentence.   The effect  was                                                               
that  the innocent  party  unknowingly had  a  fraudulent DUI  on                                                               
his/her  record,  including  ramifications  to  his/her  driver's                                                               
license and  vehicle insurance.   In  another instance,  a Juneau                                                               
woman  discovered  she  had been  convicted  of  prostitution  in                                                               
Seattle,  Washington,  yet she  had  never  been outside  Juneau,                                                               
Alaska.   He said  he supports an  identification system  of some                                                               
type,  but  cautioned   against  the  aforementioned  fundamental                                                               
change to  the court system.   He asked for  clarification, under                                                               
the bill, in  which physical location a petition  would be filed,                                                               
for example,  if a  person lives  in Nome  and someone  in Juneau                                                               
steals  the person's  identity.   He opined  that the  amendments                                                               
adopted today help provide for  a burden of proof which satisfies                                                               
the DOL Criminal Division.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SVOBODNY  opined that the  way the bill is  currently drafted                                                               
is flawed.  He referred to  page 23, lines 23-24, and stated that                                                               
the second  line in  paragraph (2) appears  to be  redundant with                                                               
paragraph (1).  He offered that  as a general rule victims do not                                                               
file criminal  complaints because the state  files the complaint.                                                               
He pointed out that in proposed  AS 45.48.100 (a)(1)-(3) as it is                                                               
currently  written,   because  the   word  "and"   separates  the                                                               
paragraphs,  all  three  paragraphs  would  have  to  apply,  and                                                               
therefore no  one could  utilize the bill  in order  to establish                                                               
his/her  innocence.   He referred  to line  29, and  again, noted                                                               
this would be a  change in the court system and  it would be more                                                               
like the French system.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:30:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  RAMRAS  said  he  thought  the  drafting  of  proposed  AS                                                               
45.48.600  had been  fixed and  asked  Representative Coghill  to                                                               
clarify.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  suggested that  on page  23, line  24, in                                                               
paragraph (2) to delete "by the  victim" in order that a criminal                                                               
complaint could be filed against  the perpetrator.  But he agrees                                                               
and confirmed that this bill  would change the structure of legal                                                               
system,  but  that  victims  of  identity  or  credit  theft  are                                                               
currently  disenfranchised since  the  burden of  proof to  prove                                                               
their innocence rests with them.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS  indicated that  currently there  is not  a document                                                               
that will  provide proof that the  victim is innocent.   The goal                                                               
of  the bill  is to  provide  a mechanism  for documentation  for                                                               
victims of identity theft who are not guilty of any wrongdoing.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAHLSTROM  said  she agrees  with  the  sponsor's                                                               
intent but asked if businesses  affected by the unlawful charges,                                                               
or  the  theft   of  services  are  required   to  recognize  the                                                               
certificate and erase the debt in  order for the credit agency to                                                               
clear  the  individual's name,  and  questioned  the value  of  a                                                               
certificate.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SVOBODNY offered  that his testimony is given  from the point                                                               
of view  of a prosecutor  and for the  victim of fraud  or theft,                                                               
whose name  will be  associated with a  criminal conviction.   He                                                               
expressed concern  for the victim  and the far  reaching impacts,                                                               
for example, having his/her future credit  denied at a store in a                                                               
village.   He opined that  as drafted, he  is not sure  that this                                                               
bill will address that concern,  but again suggested that perhaps                                                               
someone else could provide more specific guidance.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  cautioned that  if Article 5  is removed,                                                               
the committee should consider  strengthening the penalty section,                                                               
and cited the reason as being  the specific effect on the victims                                                               
of identity theft.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS  offered that  identity theft is  unique in  that it                                                               
does require a  certificate to absolve the victim,  and without a                                                               
police  report  to  validate that  theft,  an  individual  cannot                                                               
verify his/her innocence.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:37:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DOUG  WOOLIVER,  Administrative Attorney,  Administrative  Staff,                                                               
Office  of  the  Administrative  Director,  Alaska  Court  System                                                               
(ACS), explained, that there are  some sections that need further                                                               
work,  and  relayed  his  willingness to  work  with  the  bill's                                                               
sponsor.  With  respect to deleting Article 5, he  said he wanted                                                               
to  make members  aware that  the Alaska  Supreme Court  Advisory                                                               
Committee on  Criminal Rules  is considering  a proposal  to deal                                                               
with  this issue.   He  offered to  provide a  copy of  the draft                                                               
proposal and  to report the  status of  any rule change  with the                                                               
committee.   He said he believes  that the ACS is  considering an                                                               
amendment to  the Alaska  Rules of  Criminal Procedure,  rule 43,                                                               
Dismissal  and Deferred  Prosecution.   Under the  proposed court                                                               
rule  change,  once an  identity  theft  case is  dismissed,  the                                                               
prosecutor  would  file  a  certificate   to  indicate  that  the                                                               
individual  in  question is  not  the  person who  committed  the                                                               
crime.   He opined that  the court is  unlikely to find  a person                                                               
cleared  of wrongdoing  without some  type of  certification from                                                               
the prosecutor to confirm the person's innocence.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS referred to page  25, line 7, proposed AS 45.48.680,                                                               
Right  to file  a police  report  regarding identity  theft.   He                                                               
explained that  this section  would treat  identity theft  like a                                                               
property  loss.   He  related  personal  experiences of  property                                                               
losses  that did  not  have  good outcomes  with  respect to  law                                                               
enforcement  in Fairbanks.   He  cautioned that  a person  facing                                                               
identity theft  might not  have assurance  that the  police would                                                               
take  enforcement action  or write  a  police report,  as he  had                                                               
experienced,  so that  the  court could  issue  a certificate  of                                                               
innocence.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  SVOBODY responded  that he  agrees with  the concept  of the                                                               
bill, but wanted to point  out concerns with the current language                                                               
and cautioned  that the legislature  should work out  the details                                                               
and not  leave it to the  courts to decide, or  to prosecutors to                                                               
provide specific remedies.  He  speculated that there will always                                                               
be  abuses of  the system,  just as  currently happens  with some                                                               
domestic  violence petitions,  and  expressed  concern that  some                                                               
people  might  use  the  proposed  certificate  of  innocence  to                                                               
defraud  their creditors.   He  offered support  for the  type of                                                               
system  where  a  victim  outlines  the  crime  and  the  accused                                                               
responds to the allegation.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:41:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CLYDE  (ED)  SNIFFEN,  Jr., Senior  Assistant  Attorney  General,                                                               
Commercial/Fair  Business  Section, Civil  Division  (Anchorage),                                                               
Department of Law  (DOL), responding to a  question, with respect                                                               
to a  process that results  in a certificate  or an order  to the                                                               
court and whether  the certificate has any value,  offered that a                                                               
certificate  would  be  useful  because  identity  theft  victims                                                               
suffer from creditors  trying to collect on debt.   When a victim                                                               
doesn't  pay  the  debt  because he/she  doesn't  know  the  debt                                                               
exists, the delinquency gets reported  to the credit bureau.  The                                                               
credit bureau  initiates collection  proceedings and  that action                                                               
harms the  consumer.   With a  certificate or  an order  from the                                                               
court that clears the victim, he/she  would have proof to give to                                                               
the creditor that he/she did not incur the debt.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SNIFFEN said that protection  is currently offered, no matter                                                               
what  state  the  creditor  resides in,  since  the  creditor  is                                                               
obligated  under  the Fair  Debt  Practices  Act (FDPA)  to  only                                                               
proceed against the party if it  has a good faith belief that the                                                               
individual is liable.   When a person has a  certificate from the                                                               
court certifying  that he/she  is not  guilty, the  credit bureau                                                               
must  correct  his/her  credit  report.    He  offered  that  the                                                               
proposed certificate would have a  positive effect to help repair                                                               
damages  done to  consumers  who have  been  victims of  identity                                                               
theft.   He commented on Article  5, which he stated  has utility                                                               
and  is  why DOL  supports  the  bill,  but  he agrees  with  Mr.                                                               
Svobodny  that  there  are  some factual  issues  that  could  be                                                               
addressed to satisfy some concerns.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. SNIFFEN described  that the current system  involves a victim                                                               
but also  has another person  to argue against the  allegation in                                                               
order to  test out  the evidence.   But the  appearance of  a new                                                               
type of crime, identity theft,  might also require a new approach                                                               
to solve it,  one in which the judge would  act as the arbitrator                                                               
to determine whether  that information is correct or if  it is an                                                               
attempt by a  party to fraudulently charge  debt and subsequently                                                               
clear his/her record.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:44:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS made  a motion to adopt Conceptual  Amendment 13, on                                                               
page 23,  line 24,  to delete  "by the victim".   There  being no                                                               
objection, Conceptual Amendment 13 was adopted.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  RAMRAS  opined  that  while Article  5  is  imperfect,  he                                                               
preferred to  leave it  as is  in order to  provide a  buffer for                                                               
victims  of identity  theft until  the aforementioned  court rule                                                               
changes  are  adopted.   He  suggested  that  perhaps  subsequent                                                               
legislation might be required.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL commented that  that point was well taken,                                                               
which is that  victims of identity theft must be  able to protect                                                               
themselves  with the  assistance of  the  court.   He offered  to                                                               
continue work on this issue.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:46:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURTON expressed concern with  the changes made to Articles 3                                                               
and 4.   ChoicePoint supports the efforts to  regulate any public                                                               
display of social security number  (SSN) by a general business or                                                               
any  commercial  user, and  also  supports  strong penalties  for                                                               
those   who  use   SSNs   in  an   inappropriate   way,  or   who                                                               
misappropriate  the   identities  of  others  for   fraud  or  to                                                               
otherwise harm  individuals.  He  offered that his  concerns with                                                               
proposed changes  to AS  45.48.400 have been  addressed.   But he                                                               
still  has concerns  with proposed  changes to  AS 45.48.410-430.                                                               
He stated that  he is unsure of the legislative  intent and legal                                                               
implications  of  these  sections.    ChoicePoint  concerns  were                                                               
validated  earlier in  the week  during prior  testimony when  it                                                               
became unclear  that there  was confusion about  what was  or was                                                               
not permitted.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURTON said  it is clear that  no one should be  able to sell                                                               
an SSN or a list of  SSNs or purchase the aforementioned lists on                                                               
the  Internet.    Yet,  every  day  millions  of  businesses  and                                                               
governments  transact legitimate  business  and a  SSN number  is                                                               
included as part  of the larger transaction.   These transactions                                                               
may be  business to business,  consumer to business,  or business                                                               
to government.   In  those transactions  the SSN  is not  used as                                                               
anything of value, but the SSN  is still the single most critical                                                               
element  to verify  and  authenticate  an individual's  identity.                                                               
The SSN  is used to prevent  fraud and to ensure  the accuracy of                                                               
data as it  exchanges hands between entities.   Currently, use of                                                               
the SSN is  governed and restricted under  the federal regulatory                                                               
structure, primarily by the FCRA,  the federal Gramm-Leach Bliley                                                               
Act (GLBA), the Driver's Privacy  Protect Act of 1994,(DPPA), and                                                               
the United States of America's Patriot Act.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURTON offered  that the bill creates  prohibitions, but also                                                               
include  some  exemptions  to  them.   He  cautioned  that  these                                                               
sections  of  the  bill  are  not  yet  clear  and  must  provide                                                               
considerations  to  allow  existing  commerce  under  these  four                                                               
regulatory structures.   He respectfully requests  further review                                                               
on the issues with respect to the prohibitions.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  expressed a  willingness to  consider the                                                               
issues that were raised.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:52:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  RAMRAS,  after determining  that  no  one else  wished  to                                                               
testify, closed public testimony on HB 65.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  agreed with the concept  that information                                                               
needs  to move  freely in  business and  commerce, but  cautioned                                                               
that there  must also be  protections for individuals  who suffer                                                               
the  consequences of  identity theft,  especially  since it  also                                                               
affects the  ability of  an individual  to pass  through customs.                                                               
He again pledged to continue working on HB 65.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS  asked that  his concern about  the method                                                               
of payment  of fees  by individuals who  are victims  of identity                                                               
theft and who would no longer  have access to a valid credit card                                                               
be addressed.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:55:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  moved to  report the  proposed CS  for HB
65, Version  25-LS0311\M, Bannister,  5/3/07, as amended,  out of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal  notes.    There  being no  objection,  CSHB  65(JUD)  was                                                               
reported from the House Judiciary Standing Committee.                                                                           

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